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now I'm walking down the stairs in the

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corridors at the moment you can hear by

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the echo and they tell me that if you go

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to one end of this huge corridor you and

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at nighttime you can hear clearly people

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write down the other end well that's

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very interesting so what I think I'll do

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is I'll just put my microphone down here

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on the floor and walk the speed nearly a

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hundred meters down to the other end of

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welcome to the skeptic zone the podcast

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hello and welcome to the skeptic zone

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episode number 235 on the twentieth of

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april 2013 Richard Saunders here with

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you all by myself in a beautiful park

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outside the city walls of all emotes in

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the Czech Republic a babbling brook

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birds singing beautifully laid out

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gardens in a grand city wall it's quite

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something I'll post a picture on my

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twitter stream shortly after doing this

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introduction so twitter followers at

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skeptic zone can can see where i am well

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I've had a wonderful time here at the

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academic film festival I was part of the

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international jury I did origami lessons

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and lectures and talks and I was

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introducing works by Brian Dunning and

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Richard Dawkins and doing a talk on

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water divining so it kept me very busy

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very busy or coming up on this week's

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show more about this this fantastic film

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festival here we have little clips from

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my introduction of the enemies of reason

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the announcement of the winner of the

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international science documentary

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competition chosen by myself and some

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other people on the international jury

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and we'll chat to some of the organizers

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to find out more about the festival

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known as fo a fo or fo also on this

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week's show a roundup report from QED

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which was last week in Manchester

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question explore discover and that was a

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wonderful time too I ended up at the

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last minute stepping in for my distant

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cousin Ben Goldacre who couldn't make it

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so I was very lucky to be given a spot

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on the main stage that was good

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fun not forgetting this week a week in

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science with poor Willis from the Royal

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Institution of Australia w WR I a u.s.

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org but a you and Maynard's rookie

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action may not interviews james owen

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whether all who's written a book the

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physics of wall street but for now i'm

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going to have a wander around these

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beautiful gardens talk to a few birds up

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things like that lots of birds around

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here as you can hear and while I'm doing

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the the old convent here they use for fo

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the organizers with me hello who you

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hello on Jacob I'm programmer that's

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called dramatic in check so I'm one of

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the people who basically chooses movies

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and have to watch all the competition

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movies and then one of the team of 40

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won't fall for people who are preparing

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program blocks we call it blocks because

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topics and these blocks are basically

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whole festival and all around that there

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is a there is a graphics and and

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propagation are built on these topics of

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prog rock so this year of course we had

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pseudoscience and vaccination was at a

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block right that was it does was like

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actually supposed to be the first time

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pseudoscience block then we say come on

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science everyone knows that right now

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the festival itself that's been going

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years here and that's the same same time

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as horizon of BBC is going by the way

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really really funny coincidence but yeah

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really big scale in it with a lot of

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international guests and and real let's

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say precise organization ization it goes

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are six seven years ago and it changed

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40 years of communist era and of course

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during communist era had the political

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connection you can bet on that so well

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certain quality so well it's I've had a

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wonderful time of course I've had the

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view all 19 of the movies in the world

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competition which was which was

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enormously interesting for me so many

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great science documentaries but I

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couldn't even see all the movies that

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so many check movies too mmm well and

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thing that we are 66 programmers who are

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the best it's not not that are in the

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end to you to agree on on 15 then you

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honestly absolutely the hardest ever

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of the world jury that was an

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interesting decision we were we all

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experience for me and I want to take the

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opportunity to thank fo very much for

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inviting me here I've had one of the

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best weeks of my life i think it's it's

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so much to see so much to do and so

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think we thank you because it's a living

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your / jury that that's that's that was

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also quite unique that's not usual at

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nights over beer and and debating and

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arguing and having quarrels and you just

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basically change the grammar happiness

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me the same decision that's absolutely

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unique and have never happened actually

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before so yeah but well what can I say

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thank you again Richard because you were

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just one of the essential parts of the

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whole festival it's just you just we try

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to keep you busy and I really did keep

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yesterday in the cafe we had a big open

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origami workshop and at one stage people

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so and that was very gratifying either

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have to see i was i was in the guest

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service in the third for talking with

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some other guests and and and suddenly i

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lovely I was like yeah that must be that

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much Richard origami walk sure

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definitely it's a true sorry I'm not

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joking well what can I say folks I if

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I'm very lucky I might even be back here

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next year and it'll be at the same time

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April well listen thank you once again

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and all the best for fo in the future

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good evening this is my new best friend

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look at your chair yes I my only love

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you t go it's a great pleasure to be

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here I come from the other side FML

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costs Egyptian vomit as well start again

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simcha shell is through his of

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the world sit down tonight it's my great

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pleasure to introduce the first part of

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the documentary enemies of reason by

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richard dawkins i've written a short

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piece to say about it and with the aid

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of my friend i'm sure we shall get

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through it your vocal cords TV muzu

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untested enemies of reasons that I

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because you're rich tokens our place for

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tea we met with how much new culture ya

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bum someone's it's possible I hope so

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very good crowd I like this crap again

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the enemies of reason slaves to

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superstition by richard dawkins of all

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the works of richard dawkins none speak

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to me more than the enemies of reason it

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is the documentary i wish i had produced

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dr. dawkins takes a close look at many

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of the topics that are of vital interest

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to skeptics like me but also should we

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have great interest to anybody involved

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in science it's not so much a look at

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the paranormal claims but a look into

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the thinking processes of those who

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believe all those who reject science why

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are so many people convinced that the

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claims of things like astrology tarot

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cards the so-called human aura are not

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only real but they can be used to heal

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or fix your problems these are topics I

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wonder what you said all right one of

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the best questions we can ask anybody

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making apparel normal claim is how does

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it work this is exactly what you'll see

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Richard Dawkins doing in this

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documentary and this is the question

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that many proponents of the new age have

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not been asked as they're believers will

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not ask it instead believers assume it

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works and to question it is to be a

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heretic or even worse a skeptic please

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watch out for the response Richard

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Dalton gets when he suggests to an

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astrologer that the claims of astrology

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can be scientifically tested this

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response is one I have seen many times

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from all sorts of people making

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paranormal claims especially from those

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who claim they can talk with the dead

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and talking with the dead or the claim

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is something we'll see in this

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documentary when the claim of water

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dowsing is put to the test something I

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the dowsers are absolutely typical of

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the reactions we have seen and

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documented for over 30 years in

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Australia take careful note of the fact

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that Richard Dawkins visits a new age

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festival this has been my practice every

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six months for the past 13 years and I

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have discovered much by doing this as we

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will see when Richard Dawkins visits the

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festival he does not argue he does not

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get angry but he does ask questions

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especially when having his tarot cards

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the mind of the believer I think Richard

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Dawkins is an excellent tour guide you

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may get an understanding as to why some

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people reject the method of science

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finally I have a message from Richard

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met at the QED convention in Manchester

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he is delighted to know that the enemies

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of reason is being shown as part of a

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foe and wishes to me to pass on his

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warmest regards and best wishes for the

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festival an occurrence among to just

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wanted a discuss or somewhat meh three

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evening baat karna QED conferencing

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the ski a 4 48 folks I'm having such a

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wonderful time it's winding down but one

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of the other guests here I was very

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delighted to see was rebecca watson from

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the skeptics guide the universe and skip

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chick hello Rebecca Richard so good to

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see you it's good to see you I've had a

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wonderful time busy yeah the wonderful

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time and I think you've had a great time

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too i have i've had a brilliant time the

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city is is gorgeous the people are

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friendly the wine is cheap the book the

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beer is cheaper yeah no I'm having a

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blast and the lots to see and you get a

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panel our discussion today I think I did

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a talk today on women in science and

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skepticism and two days ago I did a dual

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discussion with Elise Andrew she just

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left us some yeah she's the

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woman who runs I in love science on

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facebook and we talked about

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communicating science on new media

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I excellent and well okay there are

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hordes of young of checks walking passes

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at the moment and a garden type area or

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courtyard near had a big wrap party this

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is really almost is really a university

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town and I think it's fantastic it is a

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very young town very and yeah the

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university is makes it really easy to be

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here as an English speaker because

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everyone here speaks in everyone's young

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and everyone is pretty much fluent in

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English which surprised me it's it's

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been great to be very easy yeah I went

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down to mcdonalds just for the hell of

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it what I did now I gotta try it I did I

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did anyway but and in other stores i've

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been to to know not a prob yeah no I

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mean I guess I can't complain i went to

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H&M to buy Underpants so i won't I'm not

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going to comment much about that it was

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because the airline lost my luggage the

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only option you know but no seriously

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folks at where the the film festival

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here in all emotes is I just had a blast

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it was great to see you I could tell you

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but you were busy with having a good

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time too I've had a great time it's been

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great to see you too Richard Thank You

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that's good night

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you could deliver chair let's go there

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were 19 films from which we were charged

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the responsibility to select a single

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winner and while 19 have strong elements

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be the narrative or sinha graphic and

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many choose current compelling topics

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the international jury came to a

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unanimous decision that one film stood

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out for its accomplishments across all

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considered criteria the film describes a

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people and their intriguing culture and

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language it tells an epic story of an

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individual struggle and if you have seen

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the film you will likely agree that this

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personal struggle is both compelling and

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emotional the film elegantly conveyed

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scientific theories concepts methods and

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limitations with a level of clarity that

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testifies to a respectful and intimate

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relationship between the filmmaker and

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the scientists that are portrayed it is

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superb also for its creative and often

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breathtaking cinematography enhancing

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use of audio effects clear flowing

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dialogue and a healthy well-timed dose

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of comic relief the film develops a

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message that resonates with me as a

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scientist and is critical for all to

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understand what defines science more

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than anything else is its reliance on

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experimental data and it is specifically

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for this aspect that science has been

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able to achieve the previously

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unimaginable so for telling the story of

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a missionary turn linguistic professor

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who shared with the world a remarkable

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discovery of pjs language that lacks

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numeracy and has no equivalent words for

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and or or the international jury selects

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for a fos 48th annual world's best

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documentary the grammar of happiness

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produced by Michael O'Neill hi person

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I'd just like to say what a great honor

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it is to win this award we're really

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excited I'm really excited and I'd like

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to thank the audience's the judges and

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everyone to attend the festival and then

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obviously the festival itself for this

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great honor obviously I can't be there

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tonight I'm currently appearing in

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production of language Arab in Sydney

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hence the the strange question but I

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would have absolutely loved to have been

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there tonight and and if there was any

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way that I could have loved your

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thinking this film 25 years was five

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years in the making it's a very very

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very difficult journey I'd like to thank

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our executive producer chris hilton for

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persevering with the film like those

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five years like to thank my co-director

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Raymond would he shot the shot the film

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any signatures were beautiful so like to

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thank him for that and the Bible lots of

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I think Daniel Everett who trusted us

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with his incredible story haven't seen

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the film go and see this guy as a has

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had a remarkable life that he trusted us

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with that life so I like to think into

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that

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have a great night thank you again

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that's an incredible honor and honest

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man I've got party thank you I'll put it

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on the server cluster because no firm

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your skin is owing and the word for

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foreigners away and the word for hand is

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holy and the work for Brazil nut shells

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oh well and that's only distinguished by

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the throne as all of those I am the I

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did wow oh my itin that should equal

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good job bank job it on your queen

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yeah Messenger Muhammad out last year

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music appreciation ah buns

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Australia you today I don't yes I move

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on it's about respect and trust me so

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yes there is more room in my suitcase

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yes Australia's Australia's had a good

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night uh I'm thrilled again to be here

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and I promise you I shall personally

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deliver this to my colonial and behalf

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of Michael once again thank you very

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much mr. mom asked a boy ramjets ello

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micro on the other two da mall so DNT

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queen okay I think you have a problem

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with overweight to hear your baggage

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I'm Eugenie Scott executive director of

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the National Center for Science

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Education in Oakland California we

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defend and support the teaching of

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evolution and climate change when it

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comes under attack for religious and

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political reasons we help teachers

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parents school boards and other citizens

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defend good science in the schools come

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visit us at NCS ecomme and on YouTube

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and Facebook and let us know if science

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it's the organizers the people

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responsible for Cutie or some of them

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anyway how do you think it we're really

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good i think everyone seems very happy

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the speakers are seemingly happy more

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importantly the attendees all seem

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really happy there's a few very

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exhausted faces in the audience some

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mine included ah yeah yeah well you've

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been an absolute trooper for us you've

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been absolutely superb stepping in and

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saving us a last minute so yeah huge

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huge thanks as always to you but yeah I

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mean I think everyone seems really like

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it everyone keeps telling us it's

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getting better soldier well he's a

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little too this is my second QED and it

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was at least as every bit as good as the

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first and different of course because

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there are different speakers and things

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like that yeah lots of happy faces yeah

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I'm gonna be a bit blunt oh I think our

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speakers knocked it out the park really

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dude yeah it's good good mix as well

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he's a good mix yeah and I was tuning

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into the last one which was very

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interesting lylas girlz yeah yeah and a

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lot of people you know love those I saw

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him on the panel the god panel early in

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the day with their with Richard and with

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Michael darling we knew is doing packed

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out but we need you need to kinda like

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that you know in a panel room it can't

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be a min tasting it works so much better

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went into and small I was at was

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standing room only but it was just

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brilliant and which members nephew

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revelation as well yes they're getting

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good comments hahaha a random people

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walking by neca why this year is a

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different time of year last year was in

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February and I think it was februari ya

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know last year was March I think not the

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stairs febuary I'm not really sure I

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think we just we're moving it to a place

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that's a bit further away from Christmas

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really so we don't come straight out the

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Christmas and have a million things to

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do I think yeah I guess we probably

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stick around the same kind of time I

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don't they're gonna slowly slip through

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the otherwise we're gonna have to have

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it on Christmas Day not ideal and there

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was a show at hands at the end from the

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audience who wants another while

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everyone does that's true there was a

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nice sort of a complete silence we asked

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is there anyone who doesn't want another

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one so that's good you gonna say like a

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pin drop on I expected a cricket

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chirping the background and tumbleweeds

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rolling across a new one

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about right now we'd have had a heart

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attack if ever gone yeah yeah you have

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another one yeah that's not too much to

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be honest I don't care because the

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downside of that is means we are going

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to have to do some more work yes I don't

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get how on earth I was in a topless yes

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I don't I just well there are speakers

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out there you know and different topics

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you can cover and you'll get the crowd

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well hopefully so you know there are

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people saying they want to buy a ticket

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now they're annoyed that it isn't

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already on sale which is a bit amazing

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and i have to say well give us till

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august this thing that people also

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suggesting the speakers you're just at

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the end of it which is lovely because

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people worrying part this event people

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honest or power on and we always try to

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make it so it's all about the attendees

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and every department things like that

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but I've been sort of saying people

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could you remind me in about fallens

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time right I don't want to think about

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QED for at least for a bunch of right

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did you give at all i know is in a panel

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room at a comic time but i would never

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let me on the main stage that's never

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going to happen Richard come on i'm

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waiting on the main stage last year with

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richard appearance on images that's

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really i was tempted to get you up again

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so you do another double act with that

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was ok well it's an I've had a wonderful

543
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time I didn't expect anything less of

544
00:27:54,910 --> 00:27:54,020
course well thank you so much for

545
00:27:56,350 --> 00:27:54,920
everything as well Richie's been

546
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actually ok right it's lovely to see you

547
00:27:59,560 --> 00:27:57,980
again and on oh yes it was good worked

548
00:28:02,260 --> 00:27:59,570
out very well and folks that's the would

549
00:28:03,940 --> 00:28:02,270
annoy them annoy the Merseyside skeptics

550
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:03,950
very soon and the great manchester spell

551
00:28:11,260 --> 00:28:06,770
disaster not forgetting as soon as you

552
00:28:12,910 --> 00:28:11,270
can in a few months are QED 2014 2014

553
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good god it sounds along wherever you

554
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settle only four months of rest and

555
00:28:26,110 --> 00:28:23,590
originally from australia now living in

556
00:28:27,730 --> 00:28:26,120
scotland what did you think of QED I've

557
00:28:29,770 --> 00:28:27,740
never been before but was excellent I

558
00:28:31,390 --> 00:28:29,780
thoroughly enjoyed myself and I got to

559
00:28:34,180 --> 00:28:31,400
introduce the audience to the concept of

560
00:28:35,980 --> 00:28:34,190
Scottish Fanta how did that go because i

561
00:28:39,549 --> 00:28:35,990
was speaking when your panel was on side

562
00:28:42,190 --> 00:28:39,559
mr. Pandey well it was very very briefly

563
00:28:43,990 --> 00:28:42,200
so over the law 101 from the perspective

564
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in English law and Scots law because

565
00:28:51,250 --> 00:28:45,590
there are two different legal systems

566
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when it comes to social media and Scots

567
00:28:55,390 --> 00:28:52,940
law lets got get away with Scottish

568
00:28:57,580 --> 00:28:55,400
banter but the problem is Scottish band

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is kind of global now so how would you

570
00:29:05,350 --> 00:29:01,549
define quickly Scottish band you're

571
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allowed on the Scots law to say

572
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something that's a bit nasty that you

573
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:17,190
sort of accuse me of going to the other

574
00:29:20,759 --> 00:29:19,570
place in terms of university is how I

575
00:29:22,739 --> 00:29:20,769
went to Cambridge and I really went to

576
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Oxford and yeah someone running looking

577
00:29:25,769 --> 00:29:24,219
it quite annoyed about that whereas in

578
00:29:29,549 --> 00:29:25,779
Scotland you just have to take it on the

579
00:29:31,199 --> 00:29:29,559
chin okay so but is that there's a lot

580
00:29:32,609 --> 00:29:31,209
worse you should get on a Facebook group

581
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called Scottish mentor and you'll

582
00:29:40,499 --> 00:29:36,399
discover the conduct I might just do

583
00:29:42,329 --> 00:29:40,509
that Thank You Helen Cheers yes

584
00:29:45,209 --> 00:29:42,339
apparently justin bieber's just been to

585
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the Anne Frank House in Amsterdam and

586
00:29:49,049 --> 00:29:47,799
has left a comment it was actually not

587
00:29:51,719 --> 00:29:49,059
just treating it but left it as a

588
00:29:53,190 --> 00:29:51,729
comment in the guest book and seems like

589
00:29:56,159 --> 00:29:53,200
a great girl I'm sure she would have

590
00:29:59,190 --> 00:29:56,169
been a belieber this isn't actually a

591
00:30:03,180 --> 00:29:59,200
joke if you'd see my face Lady internet

592
00:30:05,669 --> 00:30:03,190
uh believe belieber I believe a Justin

593
00:30:07,109 --> 00:30:05,679
Bieber fan yeah yeah so so course this

594
00:30:09,889 --> 00:30:07,119
has caused lots of people to ask you

595
00:30:13,589 --> 00:30:09,899
know whether Ken Sarah we were preferred

596
00:30:15,599 --> 00:30:13,599
Papa blur yeah I mean this really really

597
00:30:17,399 --> 00:30:15,609
important cultural question sort of

598
00:30:19,139 --> 00:30:17,409
conversations folks that happens after a

599
00:30:20,669 --> 00:30:19,149
big conference like QED what did you

600
00:30:22,440 --> 00:30:20,679
think of the conference generally oh

601
00:30:26,009 --> 00:30:22,450
absolutely loved it it's my first time

602
00:30:27,989 --> 00:30:26,019
at QED a few people here that I've met

603
00:30:30,359 --> 00:30:27,999
before loads that I haven't and it's

604
00:30:32,489 --> 00:30:30,369
just always great talking to skeptics

605
00:30:34,199 --> 00:30:32,499
really and it's great giving a talk to

606
00:30:38,329 --> 00:30:34,209
skeptics audience because it's such an

607
00:30:40,560 --> 00:30:38,339
engaged audience you know people really

608
00:30:42,089 --> 00:30:40,570
getting down to the nitty-gritty of the

609
00:30:44,069 --> 00:30:42,099
talk and really getting into the details

610
00:30:46,049 --> 00:30:44,079
and asking good questions which is

611
00:30:47,519 --> 00:30:46,059
probably the most valuable bit is the

612
00:30:49,369 --> 00:30:47,529
conversation it's the back and forth

613
00:30:52,319 --> 00:30:49,379
yeah and that happens of course

614
00:30:54,239 --> 00:30:52,329
afterwards and in the bar even like the

615
00:30:57,899 --> 00:30:54,249
people behind us to do now and what did

616
00:31:01,409 --> 00:30:57,909
you think then I love QED because you

617
00:31:03,479 --> 00:31:01,419
get a year's worth of of fabulous

618
00:31:05,519 --> 00:31:03,489
fabulous skeptics in the power of

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skeptics in the auditorium be getting

620
00:31:11,399 --> 00:31:08,919
years worth of this in in two days the

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00:31:14,430 --> 00:31:11,409
big problem is is overload so many

622
00:31:17,720 --> 00:31:14,440
amazing people so many amazing talks so

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00:31:22,820 --> 00:31:19,070
now we've come to the heart of the night

624
00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:22,830
okay so now I love you easy i really

625
00:31:27,740 --> 00:31:25,530
really love meeting spending time with

626
00:31:31,190 --> 00:31:27,750
people that i'm interacting with many on

627
00:31:34,190 --> 00:31:31,200
facebook and it's that is the great joy

628
00:31:36,230 --> 00:31:34,200
for me of QED is meeting the people here

629
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:36,240
from edinburgh what did you think of QED

630
00:31:42,530 --> 00:31:40,080
was you it was fantastic I will describe

631
00:31:47,510 --> 00:31:42,540
it works using hyperbole is feeling but

632
00:31:49,370 --> 00:31:47,520
it was fantastic no it was it was

633
00:31:52,010 --> 00:31:49,380
fantastic again it's Cooper here last

634
00:31:53,510 --> 00:31:52,020
year I can yes yes last year it's a it's

635
00:31:54,770 --> 00:31:53,520
actually very but I came in on the

636
00:31:56,780 --> 00:31:54,780
frayed night for the mixer and seeing so

637
00:31:59,120 --> 00:31:56,790
many people again in the same context

638
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:59,130
but no it didn't feel like 13 months at

639
00:32:02,810 --> 00:32:00,960
actually passed it kind of felt like

640
00:32:05,870 --> 00:32:02,820
just got up again in the mercure hotel

641
00:32:07,490 --> 00:32:05,880
came down and that last 13 months I just

642
00:32:10,250 --> 00:32:07,500
hadn't happened that everyone fell here

643
00:32:11,840 --> 00:32:10,260
to listen to more skeptical talks and

644
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:11,850
more science stuff is that it does make

645
00:32:15,740 --> 00:32:13,170
the year go quickly when you think about

646
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:15,750
it yeah oh yeah it definitely does the

647
00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:16,770
only way I could really tell it's

648
00:32:21,500 --> 00:32:18,570
changes the Piccadilly square appears to

649
00:32:24,410 --> 00:32:21,510
a bit greener then it was like I've got

650
00:32:26,720 --> 00:32:24,420
this this giant tower thing with a swing

651
00:32:28,700 --> 00:32:26,730
like a carnival ride out there so a

652
00:32:30,800 --> 00:32:28,710
charity thing I think actually the star

653
00:32:33,200 --> 00:32:30,810
star burst of the star twirler or

654
00:32:34,670 --> 00:32:33,210
something along those lines so one of

655
00:32:36,920 --> 00:32:34,680
the hotel staff was trying to persuade

656
00:32:38,510 --> 00:32:36,930
us to go on it but I'm skeptical of my

657
00:32:40,940 --> 00:32:38,520
ability to cope with vertical would say

658
00:32:42,500 --> 00:32:40,950
such heights so I'm skeptical of my

659
00:32:46,430 --> 00:32:42,510
ability to cope with it today at least

660
00:32:48,110 --> 00:32:46,440
anyway thanks Q noise so more random

661
00:32:50,330 --> 00:32:48,120
people just standing around not doing

662
00:32:52,610 --> 00:32:50,340
anything what did you think of QED I one

663
00:32:54,980 --> 00:32:52,620
was contested really said that I missed

664
00:32:57,440 --> 00:32:54,990
some things but I got some other

665
00:32:58,970 --> 00:32:57,450
fantastic talks in the meanwhile yeah

666
00:33:01,070 --> 00:32:58,980
well you can't I can't see everything in

667
00:33:02,840 --> 00:33:01,080
the QED which is unfortunate but it just

668
00:33:04,910 --> 00:33:02,850
means there's so many good talks but

669
00:33:05,769 --> 00:33:04,920
they have to jam them in any way they

670
00:33:09,430 --> 00:33:05,779
can

671
00:33:13,419 --> 00:33:09,440
yes and being in a really small over

672
00:33:16,749 --> 00:33:13,429
crowded room upstairs I know that

673
00:33:18,719 --> 00:33:16,759
resisted Douglas Adams room yeah what

674
00:33:22,330 --> 00:33:18,729
did you think of that as a volunteer

675
00:33:24,639 --> 00:33:22,340
with your volunteer shirt there's a wife

676
00:33:27,879 --> 00:33:24,649
in the organizer what's your honest

677
00:33:29,830 --> 00:33:27,889
opinion could have been better yeah I

678
00:33:33,159 --> 00:33:29,840
knew I knew I knew I'd get one I knew

679
00:33:34,959 --> 00:33:33,169
I'd get one did you enjoy yourself yes I

680
00:33:38,589 --> 00:33:34,969
did I enjoyed all the speaker's everyone

681
00:33:40,719 --> 00:33:38,599
who's fantastic and lovely as usual and

682
00:33:42,399 --> 00:33:40,729
all the m it's always nice meeting other

683
00:33:44,139 --> 00:33:42,409
people from all you all you foreign

684
00:33:46,570 --> 00:33:44,149
countries and think oh you really want a

685
00:33:49,119 --> 00:33:46,580
new forums it you're rejecting your

686
00:33:50,619 --> 00:33:49,129
you're from Texas yes that's a foreign

687
00:33:52,509 --> 00:33:50,629
country there are few Americans I was

688
00:33:54,339 --> 00:33:52,519
excited we're kind of course Brian

689
00:33:55,959 --> 00:33:54,349
Thompson and Carrie poppy and everybody

690
00:33:58,029 --> 00:33:55,969
says right and Lawrence Krauss support

691
00:33:59,950 --> 00:33:58,039
yes no see I know sprinkling him some

692
00:34:03,119 --> 00:33:59,960
more I would imagine yeah yeah and

693
00:34:05,739 --> 00:34:03,129
you've been in the UK now for over years

694
00:34:09,250 --> 00:34:05,749
longer maybe year and a half now yeah I

695
00:34:11,230 --> 00:34:09,260
can tell it's not as there's not a tech

696
00:34:13,269 --> 00:34:11,240
to max and many more folks it didn't

697
00:34:15,159 --> 00:34:13,279
start off as a very texan accent what

698
00:34:18,389 --> 00:34:15,169
does it start often i don't know i

699
00:34:23,980 --> 00:34:18,399
should like you saying this texas accent

700
00:34:25,930 --> 00:34:23,990
whatever it is now it's changed forgot

701
00:34:27,970 --> 00:34:25,940
some kind of hybridity higher yeah i

702
00:34:30,399 --> 00:34:27,980
think I you enjoying the UK dude are you

703
00:34:34,539 --> 00:34:30,409
getting into the groove of it it is I've

704
00:34:36,159 --> 00:34:34,549
gotten used to the rain finally I went

705
00:34:41,030 --> 00:34:36,169
from like oh it's raining again 20

706
00:34:44,180 --> 00:34:41,040
training again but the snows nice

707
00:34:46,570 --> 00:34:44,190
I like smoke I do prefix no well maybe

708
00:34:50,409 --> 00:34:46,580
we can all get back together again

709
00:34:53,210 --> 00:34:50,419
lunchtime yes probably totally I hope so

710
00:35:14,540 --> 00:34:53,220
i'm sure i will be here if it's here in

711
00:35:16,250 --> 00:35:14,550
12 months time sir astronomy cast it

712
00:35:18,380 --> 00:35:16,260
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00:35:25,850 --> 00:35:23,730
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719
00:35:35,060 --> 00:35:32,640
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00:35:41,450 --> 00:35:38,700
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00:35:43,550 --> 00:35:41,460
around us join us each week as we take a

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fax space journey through the cosmos at

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astronomy cast calm welcome to a week in

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science from our iOS this week Hobbit

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00:36:07,950 --> 00:36:00,780
brains baby brains and rat kidneys sound

728
00:36:13,150 --> 00:36:10,510
modern technology has revealed that

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00:36:16,210 --> 00:36:13,160
ancient hobbits had larger brains than

730
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:16,220
previously thought Homo floresiensis is

731
00:36:20,770 --> 00:36:18,290
an extinct human-like species from

732
00:36:23,050 --> 00:36:20,780
Flores an island in Indonesia and

733
00:36:25,740 --> 00:36:23,060
scientists have long puzzled over how

734
00:36:28,630 --> 00:36:25,750
their tiny brains evolved but a recent

735
00:36:30,490 --> 00:36:28,640
high-resolution CT scan has shown that

736
00:36:32,640 --> 00:36:30,500
their brains were actually about six

737
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:32,650
percent larger than previous estimates

738
00:36:38,830 --> 00:36:35,810
suggested this fits with the hypothesis

739
00:36:41,380 --> 00:36:38,840
that large bodied Homo erectus migrated

740
00:36:44,380 --> 00:36:41,390
to the solitary island and shrunken body

741
00:36:48,580 --> 00:36:44,390
and brain size over time evolving into

742
00:36:51,010 --> 00:36:48,590
the Hobbit species in an exciting step

743
00:36:54,550 --> 00:36:51,020
forward we can now tell when infants

744
00:36:56,860 --> 00:36:54,560
begin to recognize what they see a team

745
00:37:00,040 --> 00:36:56,870
of European researchers studied babies

746
00:37:02,230 --> 00:37:00,050
aged 5 to 15 months matching their brain

747
00:37:05,260 --> 00:37:02,240
activity patterns to those found when

748
00:37:07,870 --> 00:37:05,270
adults recognize faces while these

749
00:37:09,850 --> 00:37:07,880
patterns were seen in young infants the

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00:37:12,730 --> 00:37:09,860
signals became stronger and more

751
00:37:14,980 --> 00:37:12,740
sustained as they got older this could

752
00:37:17,140 --> 00:37:14,990
help doctors to better understand infant

753
00:37:20,920 --> 00:37:17,150
consciousness in relation to anesthetics

754
00:37:23,410 --> 00:37:20,930
and pain and now full-size headlines in

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30 seconds concert lovers will be

756
00:37:27,520 --> 00:37:25,250
relieved that their short term hearing

757
00:37:29,530 --> 00:37:27,530
loss does not reflect damage but is

758
00:37:31,720 --> 00:37:29,540
actually a protective response of the

759
00:37:33,790 --> 00:37:31,730
inner ear fainting could run in the

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00:37:35,950 --> 00:37:33,800
family with research suggesting an

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00:37:38,200 --> 00:37:35,960
inherited gene may be responsible a

762
00:37:40,180 --> 00:37:38,210
parasitic worm has inspired the

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00:37:42,370 --> 00:37:40,190
development of an adhesive bandage that

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00:37:45,670 --> 00:37:42,380
mechanically anchors to living tissue

765
00:37:47,830 --> 00:37:45,680
and the mere flavor of beer and not just

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00:37:50,500 --> 00:37:47,840
the alcohol causes the brains pleasure

767
00:37:54,190 --> 00:37:50,510
Center to release dopamine encouraging

768
00:37:57,130 --> 00:37:54,200
you to drink more and finally this week

769
00:38:00,400 --> 00:37:57,140
bio engineers have built functioning rat

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00:38:02,830 --> 00:38:00,410
kidneys US scientists worked with dead

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00:38:05,470 --> 00:38:02,840
rats pigs and humans to produce a kind

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00:38:07,660 --> 00:38:05,480
of scaffold or frame that can hold the

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00:38:10,390 --> 00:38:07,670
parts of a kidney in place they then

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00:38:13,450 --> 00:38:10,400
added kidney and blood vessel cells from

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00:38:16,030 --> 00:38:13,460
a live rat into the scaffold effectively

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00:38:18,250 --> 00:38:16,040
building a new organ when transplant

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00:38:20,500 --> 00:38:18,260
rats the kidneys produced urine

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00:38:24,780 --> 00:38:20,510
continuing research could provide hope

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00:38:27,070 --> 00:38:24,790
for future human organ transplantations

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00:38:30,010 --> 00:38:27,080
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willis and on behalf of the Arias team

797
00:39:22,880 --> 00:39:20,989
yeah aight guys i was talking to Richard

798
00:39:24,979 --> 00:39:22,890
sonsie today all right he said if we

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00:39:27,109 --> 00:39:24,989
record a trailer for our podcast

800
00:39:28,729 --> 00:39:27,119
skeptics with a que he'd play it on

801
00:39:30,079 --> 00:39:28,739
their on their show that's nice of him

802
00:39:31,309 --> 00:39:30,089
that's very generous it's pretty good

803
00:39:33,439 --> 00:39:31,319
i'm not sure what we could do though I

804
00:39:35,749 --> 00:39:33,449
mean well suppose you tell people shows

805
00:39:38,059 --> 00:39:35,759
about but it's basic is this yeah like

806
00:39:39,709 --> 00:39:38,069
yeah but you know we talk about science

807
00:39:40,910 --> 00:39:39,719
and skepticism and things that's that's

808
00:39:42,859 --> 00:39:40,920
true i suppose en you mention the

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00:39:44,359 --> 00:39:42,869
website address not merseyside skeptics

810
00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:44,369
talk don't you care yeah yeah just

811
00:39:48,799 --> 00:39:46,410
exertion iTunes oh and then we could end

812
00:39:52,160 --> 00:39:48,809
with like a big song like the skeptics

813
00:40:00,890 --> 00:39:52,170
with okay god no no no no don't don't do

814
00:40:03,300 --> 00:40:00,900
that here's may not spooky action at the

815
00:40:05,400 --> 00:40:03,310
distance

816
00:40:06,990 --> 00:40:05,410
well boys and girls are you sitting

817
00:40:09,870 --> 00:40:07,000
comfortably because on the line i have

818
00:40:11,970 --> 00:40:09,880
james owen weatherall James how are you

819
00:40:13,860 --> 00:40:11,980
I'm doing great back let me tell you

820
00:40:15,960 --> 00:40:13,870
he's a physicist philosopher and

821
00:40:17,790 --> 00:40:15,970
mathematician he holds graduate degrees

822
00:40:19,680 --> 00:40:17,800
from Harvard University and the

823
00:40:22,050 --> 00:40:19,690
University of California Irvine and

824
00:40:23,810 --> 00:40:22,060
philosopher of science and a member of

825
00:40:26,490 --> 00:40:23,820
the institute for mathematical

826
00:40:28,290 --> 00:40:26,500
behavioral science he lives in Irvine

827
00:40:30,240 --> 00:40:28,300
California with his wife and twin

828
00:40:33,150 --> 00:40:30,250
daughters down do they show a massive

829
00:40:34,890 --> 00:40:33,160
interest in physics as well there about

830
00:40:36,660 --> 00:40:34,900
four and a half months old putting any

831
00:40:38,070 --> 00:40:36,670
sort of complicated graphs in front of

832
00:40:39,990 --> 00:40:38,080
them and showing them the bell curve yet

833
00:40:42,270 --> 00:40:40,000
we're mostly working on what happened to

834
00:40:44,190 --> 00:40:42,280
say drop stuff what got you excited

835
00:40:47,010 --> 00:40:44,200
about physics and that to be your chosen

836
00:40:49,320 --> 00:40:47,020
path why physics James I always had an

837
00:40:50,790 --> 00:40:49,330
attraction to the science I like you

838
00:40:52,020 --> 00:40:50,800
know building stuff experimenting on

839
00:40:53,850 --> 00:40:52,030
things but I also really love

840
00:40:55,620 --> 00:40:53,860
mathematics I think that physics is

841
00:40:57,900 --> 00:40:55,630
totally fair to say that physics is the

842
00:40:59,250 --> 00:40:57,910
natural science that uses mathematics in

843
00:41:01,170 --> 00:40:59,260
the most creative ways you didn't have

844
00:41:02,820 --> 00:41:01,180
any apple on the head Isaac Newton

845
00:41:04,950 --> 00:41:02,830
moment did you there was a moment where

846
00:41:08,820 --> 00:41:04,960
I read an article in Scientific American

847
00:41:10,470 --> 00:41:08,830
just blew my mind figured I wanted to be

848
00:41:12,810 --> 00:41:10,480
working on that sort of thing do you get

849
00:41:14,910 --> 00:41:12,820
infuriated sometimes by the way science

850
00:41:16,890 --> 00:41:14,920
is represented in popular culture and on

851
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:16,900
news programs that don't have much time

852
00:41:21,090 --> 00:41:18,490
to go into it so you get a rather

853
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:21,100
sketchy explanation of the physics

854
00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:23,290
particularly that sometimes be wrong as

855
00:41:27,690 --> 00:41:26,170
someone who has done a fair amount of

856
00:41:29,220 --> 00:41:27,700
science popularization I try to be

857
00:41:32,480 --> 00:41:29,230
tolerant because it really is very

858
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:32,490
difficult to make some of these ideas

859
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:34,690
accessible although of course it is

860
00:41:38,280 --> 00:41:36,130
frustrating when it's done misleading

861
00:41:41,280 --> 00:41:38,290
ways particularly when the whole idea of

862
00:41:43,170 --> 00:41:41,290
quantum is co-opted by people without

863
00:41:45,300 --> 00:41:43,180
science training to explain something

864
00:41:48,420 --> 00:41:45,310
that's definitely not scientific that is

865
00:41:49,890 --> 00:41:48,430
true that is one of my pet peeves dick

866
00:41:53,130 --> 00:41:49,900
does your wife telling you to stop

867
00:41:55,620 --> 00:41:53,140
yelling at the television sometimes I

868
00:41:57,300 --> 00:41:55,630
think we just avoid that kind of yeah

869
00:41:58,830 --> 00:41:57,310
yeah that's probably the best time here

870
00:42:01,980 --> 00:41:58,840
watching fox news isn't gonna help

871
00:42:03,660 --> 00:42:01,990
anyone the physics of Wall Street a

872
00:42:05,820 --> 00:42:03,670
brief history of predicting the

873
00:42:07,290 --> 00:42:05,830
unpredictable is your book at first I

874
00:42:08,700 --> 00:42:07,300
was a bit scared of reading because i

875
00:42:11,040 --> 00:42:08,710
thought i might delve into things that i

876
00:42:13,350 --> 00:42:11,050
couldn't understand but very quickly i

877
00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:13,360
was into some of the history of chaos

878
00:42:16,660 --> 00:42:15,610
theory and graphing of what can happen

879
00:42:19,299 --> 00:42:16,670
in it any give

880
00:42:21,549 --> 00:42:19,309
environment the whole idea that there

881
00:42:23,500 --> 00:42:21,559
could be a physics of Wall Street and

882
00:42:25,270 --> 00:42:23,510
there could be various models that are

883
00:42:26,740 --> 00:42:25,280
made to perhaps graph what happens in

884
00:42:28,299 --> 00:42:26,750
the stock market and I would have

885
00:42:30,099 --> 00:42:28,309
thought that this would always be

886
00:42:31,480 --> 00:42:30,109
impossible because it's beyond chaos

887
00:42:34,480 --> 00:42:31,490
theory because it involves chaos and

888
00:42:37,510 --> 00:42:34,490
greed maybe the thing that I find more

889
00:42:40,900 --> 00:42:37,520
frustrating than misuse of quantum is

890
00:42:42,880 --> 00:42:40,910
just how we think about how science

891
00:42:44,530 --> 00:42:42,890
works and there is one thing that is

892
00:42:46,150 --> 00:42:44,540
pretty crazy sounding and I think

893
00:42:47,950 --> 00:42:46,160
probably will never happen I wouldn't

894
00:42:50,620 --> 00:42:47,960
bet on it anyway and that's having some

895
00:42:51,910 --> 00:42:50,630
sort of final theory of Finance we spend

896
00:42:53,140 --> 00:42:51,920
a lot of time talking about final

897
00:42:56,230 --> 00:42:53,150
theories of physics as though we're

898
00:42:58,690 --> 00:42:56,240
going to understand the true fundamental

899
00:43:00,370 --> 00:42:58,700
constituents of the universe and the

900
00:43:02,530 --> 00:43:00,380
whole history of the universe where we

901
00:43:04,329 --> 00:43:02,540
came from and all the big questions but

902
00:43:05,829 --> 00:43:04,339
most of science isn't like that most of

903
00:43:07,210 --> 00:43:05,839
Sciences you know you're trying to solve

904
00:43:09,250 --> 00:43:07,220
little problems you're trying to use

905
00:43:11,049 --> 00:43:09,260
math in order to make predictions and

906
00:43:12,430 --> 00:43:11,059
pretty limited domain and that's the

907
00:43:14,589 --> 00:43:12,440
sort of thing that I think we can do in

908
00:43:16,420 --> 00:43:14,599
finance pretty effectively we look at

909
00:43:18,099 --> 00:43:16,430
the unified field theory that is

910
00:43:20,230 --> 00:43:18,109
apparently is very simple compared to

911
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:20,240
the stock market that's true but a

912
00:43:24,339 --> 00:43:22,010
unified field theory is also very simple

913
00:43:26,230 --> 00:43:24,349
in some ways anyway compared to for

914
00:43:27,700 --> 00:43:26,240
instance a combustion engine or

915
00:43:29,140 --> 00:43:27,710
something like that there are lots of

916
00:43:31,000 --> 00:43:29,150
really complicated systems that we

917
00:43:32,289 --> 00:43:31,010
encounter in the world financial markets

918
00:43:34,359 --> 00:43:32,299
are just one of them and think about how

919
00:43:36,789 --> 00:43:34,369
complicated the human brain is for

920
00:43:38,140 --> 00:43:36,799
instance we don't understand it but we

921
00:43:39,849 --> 00:43:38,150
have some idea that we're making

922
00:43:42,039 --> 00:43:39,859
progress be people in Wall Street that

923
00:43:43,660 --> 00:43:42,049
given models that they want to go by

924
00:43:45,460 --> 00:43:43,670
because they think our high is the magic

925
00:43:47,049 --> 00:43:45,470
bullet to being rich that is very

926
00:43:50,589 --> 00:43:47,059
tempting when you're presented with some

927
00:43:52,150 --> 00:43:50,599
piece of mathematics to imagine that it

928
00:43:54,280 --> 00:43:52,160
solves all of your problems but that

929
00:43:56,380 --> 00:43:54,290
precisely what I argue in the book these

930
00:43:58,030 --> 00:43:56,390
models shouldn't be thought of doing I

931
00:43:59,829 --> 00:43:58,040
think that they provide a certain kind

932
00:44:00,970 --> 00:43:59,839
of information they provide insights

933
00:44:03,160 --> 00:44:00,980
that you simply couldn't get otherwise

934
00:44:05,260 --> 00:44:03,170
but they're there one tool along many

935
00:44:07,329 --> 00:44:05,270
what kind of people have been over

936
00:44:09,039 --> 00:44:07,339
selling these models to be used on Wall

937
00:44:10,450 --> 00:44:09,049
Street and perhaps overstating their

938
00:44:12,190 --> 00:44:10,460
effectiveness there are a lot of people

939
00:44:15,549 --> 00:44:12,200
on Wall Street and Finance quite

940
00:44:19,599 --> 00:44:15,559
generally who use models for instance

941
00:44:21,460 --> 00:44:19,609
for sales purposes or who are trying to

942
00:44:23,440 --> 00:44:21,470
make a certain kind of sales pitch and a

943
00:44:25,150 --> 00:44:23,450
pretty compelling idea that you know

944
00:44:27,490 --> 00:44:25,160
you've got some some genius in the back

945
00:44:29,289 --> 00:44:27,500
room who's got everything figured out I

946
00:44:30,609 --> 00:44:29,299
think that caution is the word of the

947
00:44:33,099 --> 00:44:30,619
day I think that these things can be

948
00:44:35,559 --> 00:44:33,109
effectively but well they could be

949
00:44:37,210 --> 00:44:35,569
overhyped very easily how much part do

950
00:44:39,009 --> 00:44:37,220
you think it played in the financial

951
00:44:40,839 --> 00:44:39,019
crisis we now find ourselves in these

952
00:44:42,339 --> 00:44:40,849
models people relying on these models

953
00:44:45,220 --> 00:44:42,349
but and how much of it was basically

954
00:44:48,279 --> 00:44:45,230
agreed with that deregulation there's a

955
00:44:51,099 --> 00:44:48,289
strong sense in which the models were

956
00:44:53,470 --> 00:44:51,109
misused in the lead-up to the financial

957
00:44:56,589 --> 00:44:53,480
crisis i think that one can put a kind

958
00:44:58,029 --> 00:44:56,599
of faith in models that sort of blind

959
00:44:59,670 --> 00:44:58,039
you two ways in which they can fail and

960
00:45:02,920 --> 00:44:59,680
in particular can blind you to

961
00:45:04,690 --> 00:45:02,930
particular assumptions that go into to

962
00:45:06,640 --> 00:45:04,700
some model that you'd like to use or

963
00:45:09,039 --> 00:45:06,650
some financial practices based on some

964
00:45:11,650 --> 00:45:09,049
model and as a result can create

965
00:45:13,180 --> 00:45:11,660
situations that are very very risky I

966
00:45:14,739 --> 00:45:13,190
think that's what happened in 2008 that

967
00:45:16,150 --> 00:45:14,749
there was a particular model that was

968
00:45:18,460 --> 00:45:16,160
based on an assumption about housing

969
00:45:20,109 --> 00:45:18,470
prices that was very very good up to

970
00:45:21,549 --> 00:45:20,119
about two thousand six and then the

971
00:45:23,980 --> 00:45:21,559
assumption started being less and less

972
00:45:25,870 --> 00:45:23,990
good as housing prices started to drop

973
00:45:28,599 --> 00:45:25,880
there were certainly plenty of people

974
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:28,609
around who recognized that the model was

975
00:45:32,200 --> 00:45:29,930
based on the assumption that that

976
00:45:34,150 --> 00:45:32,210
assumption was failing and changed the

977
00:45:36,700 --> 00:45:34,160
practices it's just that for instance

978
00:45:38,349 --> 00:45:36,710
credit ratings agencies didn't change

979
00:45:41,829 --> 00:45:38,359
their practices and so they kept

980
00:45:44,140 --> 00:45:41,839
assigning very high ratings to deserting

981
00:45:46,120 --> 00:45:44,150
products that were much more risky than

982
00:45:47,739 --> 00:45:46,130
it appeared you shouldn't think that you

983
00:45:49,450 --> 00:45:47,749
have solved the problem you should think

984
00:45:50,950 --> 00:45:49,460
that you have gotten the kind of

985
00:45:52,839 --> 00:45:50,960
approximate solution that's going to

986
00:45:54,759 --> 00:45:52,849
work sometimes and you should spend an

987
00:45:56,920 --> 00:45:54,769
awful lot of energy trying to figure out

988
00:45:59,019 --> 00:45:56,930
under what circumstances these things

989
00:46:00,130 --> 00:45:59,029
are going to be effective and identify

990
00:46:01,630 --> 00:46:00,140
the circumstances under which they're

991
00:46:03,460 --> 00:46:01,640
going to fail to be effective and what

992
00:46:05,410 --> 00:46:03,470
exactly did economists and

993
00:46:07,539 --> 00:46:05,420
mathematicians get together and start to

994
00:46:08,799 --> 00:46:07,549
try and come up with modeling that could

995
00:46:11,019 --> 00:46:08,809
help them make money on the stock market

996
00:46:15,220 --> 00:46:11,029
was it shortly after Sumerians invented

997
00:46:16,809 --> 00:46:15,230
writing or what happened so shortly

998
00:46:19,120 --> 00:46:16,819
after the Sumerians invented writing

999
00:46:20,920 --> 00:46:19,130
they invented a derivative contract so

1000
00:46:22,749 --> 00:46:20,930
we started seeing we spent heard a lot

1001
00:46:24,970 --> 00:46:22,759
of the last few years about how how

1002
00:46:27,249 --> 00:46:24,980
derivatives or this disastrous new

1003
00:46:29,440 --> 00:46:27,259
financial practice someone with a bit of

1004
00:46:31,150 --> 00:46:29,450
sense even the Sumerians would have gone

1005
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:31,160
hang on a minute this derivative stuff

1006
00:46:34,180 --> 00:46:32,690
just looks like it's going to file one

1007
00:46:35,739 --> 00:46:34,190
day and fail big and if there'd been

1008
00:46:37,599 --> 00:46:35,749
someone like you in the room you would

1009
00:46:39,039 --> 00:46:37,609
have gone you this is just like betting

1010
00:46:39,999 --> 00:46:39,049
you this is just like gambling what you

1011
00:46:41,769 --> 00:46:40,009
guys are doing there must have been

1012
00:46:42,970 --> 00:46:41,779
someone somewhere that said that I think

1013
00:46:44,380 --> 00:46:42,980
that there are a lot of people I mean I

1014
00:46:45,910 --> 00:46:44,390
think people are recognized

1015
00:46:47,349 --> 00:46:45,920
Reuters are a lot like gambling for a

1016
00:46:48,819 --> 00:46:47,359
long time you know the thing that the

1017
00:46:51,400 --> 00:46:48,829
derivatives are useful for is

1018
00:46:52,660 --> 00:46:51,410
controlling risk in a certain way make

1019
00:46:54,279 --> 00:46:52,670
certain sorts of investments for

1020
00:46:57,069 --> 00:46:54,289
instance that are inherently risky and

1021
00:46:58,299 --> 00:46:57,079
if you can come up with something some

1022
00:47:01,240 --> 00:46:58,309
sort of bet that you can make that

1023
00:47:03,609 --> 00:47:01,250
you're going to win just in case the

1024
00:47:05,529 --> 00:47:03,619
decision you have to make goes bad then

1025
00:47:06,940 --> 00:47:05,539
you know you protected yourself a little

1026
00:47:08,319 --> 00:47:06,950
bit that's the right way of thinking

1027
00:47:10,059 --> 00:47:08,329
about say an options contract or the

1028
00:47:11,470 --> 00:47:10,069
kind of insurance have you ever been

1029
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:11,480
involved in the stock market have you

1030
00:47:14,980 --> 00:47:12,890
ever been tempted to get into this so

1031
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:14,990
you've gone all no not me I think what

1032
00:47:19,509 --> 00:47:17,210
I've learned from spending a few years

1033
00:47:21,460 --> 00:47:19,519
writing a book about finance is that you

1034
00:47:23,140 --> 00:47:21,470
got either and try and answer the

1035
00:47:25,569 --> 00:47:23,150
question without using the term insider

1036
00:47:27,370 --> 00:47:25,579
trading as well James if you can yeah

1037
00:47:28,990 --> 00:47:27,380
that's right so look I mean the way I

1038
00:47:30,789 --> 00:47:29,000
think about it unless you can do this

1039
00:47:32,769 --> 00:47:30,799
full time you're better off just

1040
00:47:34,299 --> 00:47:32,779
investing in index funds for instance

1041
00:47:36,039 --> 00:47:34,309
because as well as about talking about

1042
00:47:38,289 --> 00:47:36,049
the Wall Street connection with various

1043
00:47:40,450 --> 00:47:38,299
theories and models you go into the

1044
00:47:42,339 --> 00:47:40,460
history of chaos and unpredictability

1045
00:47:44,470 --> 00:47:42,349
theory I've learned a lot about

1046
00:47:45,730 --> 00:47:44,480
Mandelbrot and the Mandelbrot set which

1047
00:47:48,220 --> 00:47:45,740
I just thought used to be a very cool

1048
00:47:50,019 --> 00:47:48,230
indie band but in fact detection it's

1049
00:47:51,430 --> 00:47:50,029
actually a mathematical theory please

1050
00:47:53,079 --> 00:47:51,440
some it just tells bit more about

1051
00:47:55,089 --> 00:47:53,089
Mandelbrot and particularly how his

1052
00:47:56,559 --> 00:47:55,099
experiences in Vichy France during the

1053
00:47:59,140 --> 00:47:56,569
Second World War got him interested in

1054
00:48:01,029 --> 00:47:59,150
chaos Mandelbrot was a French

1055
00:48:02,920 --> 00:48:01,039
mathematician who came to the US right

1056
00:48:05,769 --> 00:48:02,930
after World War Two and invented the

1057
00:48:08,829 --> 00:48:05,779
word fractal and Mandelbrot's big

1058
00:48:12,099 --> 00:48:08,839
contribution to financial theory with

1059
00:48:15,160 --> 00:48:12,109
the observation that there are systems

1060
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:15,170
or events that can vary way more

1061
00:48:19,390 --> 00:48:17,930
dramatically than the kind of random

1062
00:48:21,910 --> 00:48:19,400
processes that were used to so we're

1063
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:21,920
used to things like coin flips and their

1064
00:48:26,499 --> 00:48:24,170
systems that are just in some sense more

1065
00:48:30,609 --> 00:48:26,509
wildly random than that he had at one

1066
00:48:33,519 --> 00:48:30,619
point made a kind of analogy to his life

1067
00:48:35,650 --> 00:48:33,529
during as a Jew in hiding in France

1068
00:48:37,660 --> 00:48:35,660
during World War two that you know most

1069
00:48:40,120 --> 00:48:37,670
of the time things were fine but then

1070
00:48:41,620 --> 00:48:40,130
some panzer division would roll through

1071
00:48:44,559 --> 00:48:41,630
town and things would become very very

1072
00:48:47,470 --> 00:48:44,569
hairy very very fast and that kind of

1073
00:48:49,539 --> 00:48:47,480
dramatic variation was uh I think pretty

1074
00:48:51,519 --> 00:48:49,549
pretty influential forum I love talking

1075
00:48:53,710 --> 00:48:51,529
about fractals I like talking about that

1076
00:48:56,170 --> 00:48:53,720
in everyday life where a small situation

1077
00:48:58,120 --> 00:48:56,180
to me and please tell me if I'm wrong

1078
00:49:01,269 --> 00:48:58,130
here because I'm asking the right guy as

1079
00:49:03,220 --> 00:49:01,279
all situation is a indicative of a

1080
00:49:04,990 --> 00:49:03,230
larger situation that's going on in the

1081
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world I'm just experiencing one small

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fractal of it is that a correct usage of

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00:49:11,410 --> 00:49:09,319
the term or not I don't think that's the

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00:49:13,900 --> 00:49:11,420
right way of using the term it is the

1085
00:49:15,039 --> 00:49:13,910
case though that fractals are patterns

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00:49:16,690 --> 00:49:15,049
that have a certain kind of

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00:49:19,329 --> 00:49:16,700
self-similarity so just like you say I

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mean microcosms of a certain sort have

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have this feature in order for it to

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actually be a frazzle though it has to

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00:49:26,650 --> 00:49:24,529
repeat infinitely many times so you know

1092
00:49:29,019 --> 00:49:26,660
no matter how finely you look things

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00:49:30,970 --> 00:49:29,029
have to look just the same as you know

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00:49:32,980 --> 00:49:30,980
larger larger distances your larger

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scales so you think it's possible to use

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the term factor for any social modeling

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or not this is just how modeling work

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00:49:42,460 --> 00:49:41,029
there's a sense in which when you have

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finite systems you can't really talk

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about fractals there's another sense

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00:49:50,490 --> 00:49:47,779
though in which self-similarity can can

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certainly occur where dynamics between

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00:49:56,049 --> 00:49:53,569
two people for instance in a some sort

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00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:56,059
of romantic relationship can be similar

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00:50:00,309 --> 00:49:58,160
to dynamics between two groups which

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could be similar to dynamics between two

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nations one can certainly look at

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00:50:08,200 --> 00:50:05,660
patterns like that of was looking at a

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00:50:10,180 --> 00:50:08,210
graph of a pattern in your book the

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00:50:11,980 --> 00:50:10,190
physics of Wall Street was a a graph

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00:50:14,259 --> 00:50:11,990
that predicts where you would be if you

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were drunk in a long corridor looking

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00:50:18,249 --> 00:50:16,130
for your hotel room if you've got where

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it is called a Cauchy pattern what is

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that the correct pronunciation of that

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so the one characterizing where you'd be

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if you're wandering around a hotel room

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00:50:28,839 --> 00:50:25,759
is a called a normal distribution a co

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she distribution is one that actually

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Mandelbrot spent a lot of time working

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on the difference in turn or mille

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00:50:36,279 --> 00:50:34,069
distribution and koshi distribution is

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just this difference of wild variations

1124
00:50:41,289 --> 00:50:38,690
of kosher distribution make a kind of

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prediction about the likelihood of for

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instance you ending up in front of room

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00:50:47,289 --> 00:50:46,069
1000 if you start in front of room 100

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much more likely that you're going to

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end up that far away and if you're

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governed by a normal distribution

1131
00:50:53,499 --> 00:50:51,980
there's different sorts of random and

1132
00:50:55,150 --> 00:50:53,509
the way you would be drunk looking for

1133
00:50:57,339 --> 00:50:55,160
your hotel room in a long corridor is

1134
00:50:58,630 --> 00:50:57,349
different from a random distribution of

1135
00:51:00,039 --> 00:50:58,640
those numbers is that correct that's

1136
00:51:03,069 --> 00:51:00,049
right there are different senses in

1137
00:51:06,789 --> 00:51:03,079
which probabilities can vary we have an

1138
00:51:08,140 --> 00:51:06,799
idea that randomness corresponds to a

1139
00:51:09,099 --> 00:51:08,150
certain kind of unpredictability and

1140
00:51:10,870 --> 00:51:09,109
there's certainly a sense in which

1141
00:51:12,100 --> 00:51:10,880
that's true if I flip a coin I can't

1142
00:51:14,260 --> 00:51:12,110
predict if it's going to come up

1143
00:51:16,030 --> 00:51:14,270
details I can make predictions about

1144
00:51:18,670 --> 00:51:16,040
what would happen if I were to flip the

1145
00:51:20,320 --> 00:51:18,680
coin say a million time understanding

1146
00:51:22,150 --> 00:51:20,330
what kind of random process you're

1147
00:51:23,830 --> 00:51:22,160
dealing with can allow you to make this

1148
00:51:25,780 --> 00:51:23,840
sorts of long-term statistical

1149
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:25,790
predictions about relative frequencies

1150
00:51:29,020 --> 00:51:27,530
how often head is going to show up

1151
00:51:30,790 --> 00:51:29,030
relative to how often tails is going to

1152
00:51:33,760 --> 00:51:30,800
show up do you think sometimes the

1153
00:51:35,950 --> 00:51:33,770
popular view of science makes us expect

1154
00:51:37,450 --> 00:51:35,960
a little bit much where's my quantum

1155
00:51:39,670 --> 00:51:37,460
computer laptop I haven't got it yet

1156
00:51:42,460 --> 00:51:39,680
yeah I do think that in fact i think

1157
00:51:45,910 --> 00:51:42,470
that there's an awful lot of pressure on

1158
00:51:48,130 --> 00:51:45,920
scientist to make the case prematurely

1159
00:51:50,260 --> 00:51:48,140
for what sorts of ramifications or

1160
00:51:52,270 --> 00:51:50,270
Consequences the research could have

1161
00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:52,280
they're often pressed to make certain

1162
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:54,370
kinds of promises lead to misplaced

1163
00:51:57,970 --> 00:51:56,450
expectations I mean these are very very

1164
00:52:00,430 --> 00:51:57,980
difficult problems I concern the

1165
00:52:01,930 --> 00:52:00,440
fundamental nature of the world they

1166
00:52:03,700 --> 00:52:01,940
aren't solved overnight that's not going

1167
00:52:05,890 --> 00:52:03,710
to send very good on TV show James I

1168
00:52:07,930 --> 00:52:05,900
don't they can let you on he stopped the

1169
00:52:09,370 --> 00:52:07,940
widow sang our look we probably can't do

1170
00:52:11,890 --> 00:52:09,380
it but wait I mean really who's gonna

1171
00:52:12,940 --> 00:52:11,900
want to hear that it worse we're

1172
00:52:13,960 --> 00:52:12,950
probably not going to be able to do it

1173
00:52:17,050 --> 00:52:13,970
but wait and give us a lot of money

1174
00:52:18,940 --> 00:52:17,060
along the way science is fun but science

1175
00:52:21,160 --> 00:52:18,950
is also if done properly science is hard

1176
00:52:23,230 --> 00:52:21,170
it's very hard I mean there's not much

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00:52:24,580 --> 00:52:23,240
low-hanging fruit left be there the

1178
00:52:26,710 --> 00:52:24,590
problems that we're running up against

1179
00:52:29,080 --> 00:52:26,720
now really I think at the very edge of

1180
00:52:31,810 --> 00:52:29,090
our technological ability and and

1181
00:52:33,370 --> 00:52:31,820
perhaps our intellectual ability in the

1182
00:52:35,800 --> 00:52:33,380
physics of Wall Street we're looking at

1183
00:52:37,690 --> 00:52:35,810
a situation where people have tried to

1184
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:37,700
find the golden bullet to be rich and

1185
00:52:40,960 --> 00:52:39,650
they've tried to miss you science the

1186
00:52:42,190 --> 00:52:40,970
physicist that I talk about in the book

1187
00:52:43,960 --> 00:52:42,200
I don't think it's fair to say that they

1188
00:52:45,010 --> 00:52:43,970
miss you science but I think it there

1189
00:52:47,770 --> 00:52:45,020
have been an awful lot of people who

1190
00:52:50,050 --> 00:52:47,780
have taken these ideas look these things

1191
00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:50,060
were produced by these brilliant people

1192
00:52:54,550 --> 00:52:53,090
and that makes them reliable and a kind

1193
00:52:56,560 --> 00:52:54,560
of insight into the world and no one

1194
00:52:58,060 --> 00:52:56,570
else has and you should invest in my

1195
00:52:59,890 --> 00:52:58,070
fund and give me twenty percent of

1196
00:53:01,180 --> 00:52:59,900
anything you make because I've got I've

1197
00:53:02,710 --> 00:53:01,190
got this equation that I'm going to

1198
00:53:05,440 --> 00:53:02,720
invest based on be wary of

1199
00:53:06,850 --> 00:53:05,450
mathematicians bearing gifts the Hilaria

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00:53:09,130 --> 00:53:06,860
mathematicians inviting you to join

1201
00:53:11,170 --> 00:53:09,140
hedge fund I'd like a message for people

1202
00:53:12,730 --> 00:53:11,180
who might be getting into university or

1203
00:53:14,320 --> 00:53:12,740
getting into some of the fields that

1204
00:53:16,390 --> 00:53:14,330
you've been involved in but what do you

1205
00:53:18,550 --> 00:53:16,400
think is the next great challenge that

1206
00:53:20,230 --> 00:53:18,560
someone who's at university now can get

1207
00:53:21,610 --> 00:53:20,240
involved in and possibly be part of the

1208
00:53:23,710 --> 00:53:21,620
next break through it I know you said

1209
00:53:25,180 --> 00:53:23,720
earlier things are hard what field

1210
00:53:25,509 --> 00:53:25,190
should they be getting into and looking

1211
00:53:31,029 --> 00:53:25,519
at

1212
00:53:33,759 --> 00:53:31,039
amazing discovery is waiting to be found

1213
00:53:35,169 --> 00:53:33,769
in for instance in neuroscience and the

1214
00:53:36,909 --> 00:53:35,179
brain is something that we don't

1215
00:53:38,139 --> 00:53:36,919
understand that we you know we think we

1216
00:53:40,929 --> 00:53:38,149
have a chance of understanding i think

1217
00:53:42,370 --> 00:53:40,939
their mathematics of Social Sciences is

1218
00:53:43,929 --> 00:53:42,380
something that we're really only

1219
00:53:45,309 --> 00:53:43,939
beginning to understand I'm still

1220
00:53:47,199 --> 00:53:45,319
hopeful that we're going to figure out

1221
00:53:49,899 --> 00:53:47,209
for instance stuff like how to build a

1222
00:53:51,279 --> 00:53:49,909
quantum quantum computer and how to put

1223
00:53:52,779 --> 00:53:51,289
together general relativity and quantum

1224
00:53:54,759 --> 00:53:52,789
mechanics and so I would still encourage

1225
00:53:56,799 --> 00:53:54,769
students to go into that when i meet

1226
00:53:58,029 --> 00:53:56,809
physicists which I occasionally do it

1227
00:54:00,549 --> 00:53:58,039
like the amazing meeting or something

1228
00:54:02,319 --> 00:54:00,559
like that I mentioned the name of a dr

1229
00:54:04,479 --> 00:54:02,329
michio Keiko and they usually get bit of

1230
00:54:06,699 --> 00:54:04,489
an eye roll or the theoretical physicist

1231
00:54:11,769 --> 00:54:06,709
from New York where do you stand on some

1232
00:54:13,269 --> 00:54:11,779
of the things he says no coffee I was

1233
00:54:15,909 --> 00:54:13,279
going to bring up hologram theory but

1234
00:54:17,889 --> 00:54:15,919
probably shouldn't I don't think i will

1235
00:54:19,779 --> 00:54:17,899
say that i think that is very important

1236
00:54:21,370 --> 00:54:19,789
I mean I as i said i got into physics

1237
00:54:23,409 --> 00:54:21,380
because of a scientific American article

1238
00:54:25,120 --> 00:54:23,419
i read that was in many ways over the

1239
00:54:26,589 --> 00:54:25,130
top and promised more than men could

1240
00:54:28,329 --> 00:54:26,599
ever be delivered certainly ever was

1241
00:54:30,699 --> 00:54:28,339
delivered on that theory there's a way

1242
00:54:32,799 --> 00:54:30,709
in which is exhilarating to think not

1243
00:54:34,329 --> 00:54:32,809
just about what what we're going to be

1244
00:54:36,489 --> 00:54:34,339
able to do over the next five or ten

1245
00:54:38,620 --> 00:54:36,499
years but to speculate a bit about what

1246
00:54:40,779 --> 00:54:38,630
might be possible in science in order to

1247
00:54:42,909 --> 00:54:40,789
get people interested to draw young

1248
00:54:45,009 --> 00:54:42,919
people into the field my own view on

1249
00:54:46,839 --> 00:54:45,019
speculative physics are one thing my

1250
00:54:49,929 --> 00:54:46,849
view though on and the importance of

1251
00:54:51,519 --> 00:54:49,939
making science exciting is another let's

1252
00:54:53,829 --> 00:54:51,529
finish out what do you find the most

1253
00:54:54,909 --> 00:54:53,839
fascinating science website to go to one

1254
00:54:56,199 --> 00:54:54,919
that you would recommend where you can

1255
00:54:58,209 --> 00:54:56,209
find everything things that you always

1256
00:55:00,249 --> 00:54:58,219
find interesting to read honestly my

1257
00:55:02,799 --> 00:55:00,259
favorite and you know it's a little bit

1258
00:55:05,409 --> 00:55:02,809
of you syncretic and not everyone's

1259
00:55:09,279 --> 00:55:05,419
going to love it but it's john biases

1260
00:55:11,499 --> 00:55:09,289
website da easy joan baez cousins felt

1261
00:55:14,079 --> 00:55:11,509
the same way he is the oldest science

1262
00:55:15,879 --> 00:55:14,089
blog online called this week's finds in

1263
00:55:18,999 --> 00:55:15,889
mathematical physics and he is a

1264
00:55:21,039 --> 00:55:19,009
brilliant expositor of the wildest ways

1265
00:55:22,749 --> 00:55:21,049
in which mass appears in the natural

1266
00:55:24,189 --> 00:55:22,759
world what's an example of something he

1267
00:55:25,870 --> 00:55:24,199
might have looked at in the past we go

1268
00:55:28,449 --> 00:55:25,880
well he'd become very interested

1269
00:55:29,859 --> 00:55:28,459
recently in environmentalism and so he's

1270
00:55:32,289 --> 00:55:29,869
been doing a lot of stuff on how

1271
00:55:33,909 --> 00:55:32,299
mathematics can be used to understand

1272
00:55:35,589 --> 00:55:33,919
the climate and understand climate

1273
00:55:37,779 --> 00:55:35,599
change but he's done all sorts of stuff

1274
00:55:39,400 --> 00:55:37,789
on game theory and so he'll you know who

1275
00:55:41,640 --> 00:55:39,410
give very simple examples of

1276
00:55:43,599 --> 00:55:41,650
mathematics of different games

1277
00:55:44,950 --> 00:55:43,609
mathematical patterns come up their

1278
00:55:46,690 --> 00:55:44,960
stuff like that that's something to keep

1279
00:56:01,100 --> 00:55:46,700
us up late at night right thank you very

1280
00:56:05,490 --> 00:56:03,900
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1281
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1289
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thank you for listening to the skeptic

1290
00:56:55,840 --> 00:56:54,020
zone I have to now sadly start thinking

1291
00:56:59,860 --> 00:56:55,850
about packing my bags have it a long

1292
00:57:03,000 --> 00:56:59,870
flight tomorrow an extended stay on an

1293
00:57:05,980 --> 00:57:03,010
aeroplane while I fly back to Australia

1294
00:57:09,660 --> 00:57:05,990
it's hard to imagine as I look up here

1295
00:57:12,010 --> 00:57:09,670
at the city the city walls and the trees

1296
00:57:15,010 --> 00:57:12,020
but all good things must come to an end

1297
00:57:16,480 --> 00:57:15,020
I guess so I'm till next week back in

1298
00:57:19,210 --> 00:57:16,490
Australia this is Richard Saunders

1299
00:57:27,910 --> 00:57:19,220
signing off from beautiful al emotes in

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